Website Organisation
written by Orion Admin and posted in *Forum
I’m just moving a discussion that we had we’r having with Orion, Nadege and people who are interested in the technical side of the website, how to organise the website or general things about internet.
This is where we discuss website staff
look at the comments for
March 7th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Great, That’s exactly how we have to use the website.
I’ve almost found a way to make a private part.
Wonderful catalogue by way!!!
;)
March 7th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Yes, I’m just re-arranging things a bit, trying to get into tidier habits.
I’m gonna try moving DR and incidents to be sub-categories inside events….
Tell me more about your private parts(!)
March 7th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Not sure if we are heading to the right way with the organisation of the website.
I was thinking of something more like this for the categories:
Events
Videos
Performances
Workshops
D/R
etc…
etc…..
We could have a D/R category because we know that we are going to do it again. But if we create a knew category every time we are doing a performance, a video or a exhibition. In one year we will have enough categories to link the earth and the moon. Of course we could create new category for important projects like D/R.
The point of categories is to be a category. Every time you do a performance, you put it in the performances category. That why you have a title to enter when you do a knew post.
I don’t know if it’s clear. I imagine you want to try thing and maybe I didn’t explain the difference between a single page and a category.
oh and I forgot. remember you can put a post in several categories. ex: I’m doing a performance in london. I put it in events and performances.
Even if it’s in two categories, it will display just once on the home page. But you will find it in ‘events’ and ‘performances’.
Maybe you think we never do only performances or only videos , etc… but always a mix at every events. Protoplay also do small art act that don’t always require a category on it’s own. Still it would be nice to have categories representing all the medium we have in the collective.
If others have ideas or comments, join in
March 7th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
yes I know what you mean about the moon landing!
I set them up as sub-catagories.
I thought the different sub-categories of events would ‘nest’ inside the the main categorie “Events”, but actually they don’t
so that it would just be, e.g.:
Workshops
Events
Videos
and THEN you click on “Events” and it would go:
Workshops
Events
Deconstruction/re….
We know where you to find you
etc…..
Videos
but it doesn’t. Is there anyway to do this.
or we just as you say have all events/works of a certain type on the same page/categorie (am I still confusing pages and categories maybe? Or how do we have multiple pages within a category?)
I’m not sure arranging works by medium would work the best, as many works have been/may be either of more than one or unclassifiable! (I hope!)
But maybe it would be OK as you say…
I think it is early to decide. is there another way to let categorisation emerge more naturally perhaps? like it does in the brain, when going for a long walk…..
March 7th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
yes, we need to find another to arrange categories.
But I don’t think we should classify them by mediums. as far as i’m concerned, mediums are irrelevant, what matters is context, ideas etc…
I think maybe for the moment,
- past events
- current and ongoing events
- ideas for future events (or something like that)
- workshops
- etc
March 8th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
I might be able to manage it ( the drop-down menu ). I think I saw a plug in for that.
Unfortunately there is no way to link your brain and the website, maybe with a machine I built but you might lose your capacity to walk ( and piss ).
For the private thing I can see you started putting staff ( naughty naughty ). We will put things together when the private part will be set up.
I will set it up this evening ( private categories will only show when you’r login, cooooooool ).
Anyway keep it the way your are doing, because the way wordpress is made is maybe not the way we need.
And who care if a category have only one post ?
I still think that a videos, a performances and maybe a sounds category would be useful for all the work people do and might not be shown in a exhibition. See what I mean ?
March 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Now that you told me what private parts means. I can’t stop laughing about it.
Let’s build some private parts then.
protoPLAY’s private parts !!!!
March 9th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Har har…
this post’s comments seems to have turned into a general comments section for the website, its use, and developement.
that doesn’t matter, but maybe we could have a seperate section / categorie /… for that otherwise?
March 9th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Tomas, Is there anyway to control which posts are showed on the main page? i.e. to stop some of them going on front page, and just only being in relavent categories?
there isn’t a tick box for ‘main page’ in write the write dialogue editor, like there is for all the other pages?
the front page is going to be huge otherwise… and some times, like now for example with rick’s video, the first info that is seen is not the first that we might want people to see, as it seems out of date.
maybe there is some other solution you know?
how are you coming to terms with protoPLAY’s private parts…?
March 9th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
I’m looking for something to be able to not display the private post on the home page. The thing you should do is to date your post with the date of the event. when you write a post on the sidebar you can put a past or future date. The post are displayed on the home in a chronological order. So if you date rick post to 2005 instead of 2007 the post will be place at the bottom of the page.
The home page will only display the last 10 posts. So don’t worry about the length of the home page.
Then you have to ask yourself if you want people to this the actual and real activity of the collective. Or if you want to control your “image” by showing only the staff you want.
Personally I prefer the first option. But if we realise that nobody update the website and so that the website is not actually representing the collective like it is, we can start to think of a fix page ( like the one for the members ) to have as a home page.
When I will have made the sexual parts of protoplay, I will move this discution in a “website point of view” ( or whatever ) category.
For the porn side of the website I was thinking of something like this:
Minutes
Tutorials
Projects
Website point of view
forum ( people could put post that would be like subjects and so comment those subject, don’t need to create new category every time you want to discuss something !! A post in enough )
( I still think you might not have understand the categories thing when I see the private categories you created, but maybe you did )
Also I think bluehost could let us do some kind a mailing list.
A single address that use for mailing persons of a group. So when you reply to this mail or send a email to this address everybody receive it. A lot more easy and you sure that everybody receive it.
fucking long comment every time. bordel de couilles
ps: It’s not a problem if people see this those comments, it might even help them to sort out their website issues
March 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
changing the date: great
(that solves the ‘image’ problem mostly.)
site discussion in private organs soon: great.
Categories maybe:
Minutes
Tutorials
Past Projects
Current Projects
Future Projects (Ideas, possibilities, dreams..)
Workshops
Forum
though this would imply manually moving projects from future - to
current - to past as they happened..
i’m not sure i understood the categories thing either!
should be posts maybe - then with comments…?
Mailing list: great
bordel de couilles: great
March 9th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Oh yeah I remember the other thing i was thinking, what does anyone think about a kinda a diary for events we are interested in happening in brighton - like a group diary.
I will start it and then you can see what i mean…
March 9th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Why not just Projects ?
We discuss it and if it becomes reality we just put a nice well made post ( or category ) in events where the visitors can see it.
March 9th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
So what do think about protoPLAY’s private parts. It’s still pre-teenager private parts ( no hair,hihihi ) but It’s cool no ?
If you want to create new private categories you have to go to “categories level” after you created the category and put a level of 7.
I will put a “how use your private parts ?” in the tutorial category.
don’t go crasy on creating private parts categories, try to group things ( I think ).
Do you know if any one is going to update their page, cause it look a bit strange.
March 9th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
In fact you have to ask me for a new private category, because I have to put a line of code so it wont display on the home page. sorry about that, I will surely found something better later.
March 11th, 2007 at 11:53 am
well done, yes this is great now.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:18 am
Thomas, I think it might be a good idea to email all the people who didn’t update their page on the site. You spent 45 minutes presenting how to use the website at the last meeting, people have to do it.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Morning. funny now we have conversations in two places.
Have you noticed the dates I put for the events in the, currently named, ‘art events diary’, as we said these have been put in the past e.g. i kept the dates but put the year to 2004.
this solved the positioning, but now we have these strange ‘archives’ in the side bar of front page, saying march 2004 etc….
how can we fiddle that?
March 12th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
fiddle my friend, fiddle.
March 12th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Well, just change the month, or I can just delete the archives list and just put a link to a page that will show the list. Sounds like a good idea.
For the email, well I can send a e-mail to everyone but do you really think that it would change anything. Can’t force people.
If people don’t want to construct protoplay….
March 12th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Exactly, but then why did we spend some time explaining it. If people don’t want to do it, they should have said so during the meeting. protoPLAY is not a way to get other people working for you, and finding show.event possiblities for you. It’s a collective effort. Also it looks a bit silly to have all these personnal pages and no info in them.
March 22nd, 2007 at 11:00 am
I’ve change the ‘links’ thing so it’s in a page.
Do we want to divide the page by members? like:
protoPLAY’s links :
links
links
links
links
thomas’ links :
links
links
links
links
Nadege’s links :
links
links
links
links
etc….
I don’t know if a lot of members will put links, if you see what I mean.
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Yo!
yea i think the links are better like that.
I think that at the moment there aren’t so many links that we need to worry about further categorisation.
we should let it evolve organically i think, rather than try to predict how these links will be, and trying to predict whether particular individuals will put many links up or not…
in any case, 1. the links are more for visitors to the site i think, who don’t care who put up the link.
2. some people would want to put up the same link, so it’d be silly to have the same link in two places.
if further categorisation is needed in future, it might make more sense for it to be along the lines of :
art groups and artists
music groups
art organisations
music organisations
partners
internal links
or something like this…
March 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Tomas,
have a look at
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:AK-Vn-J0_ooJ:protoplay.net/+www.protoplay.net&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk
its the cached page of protoplay.net on google.
as you’ll see google hasn’t updated it since january 2007.
so people searching via search terms won’t get directed to our site.
i’m not sure if this matters very much, but i saw a plugin for wordpress that sends a site map to google more often, every 15mins i think.
maybe, what do you think?
March 23rd, 2007 at 8:13 pm
not, really.
Did you use safari to search for protoplay ? If so safari have a special way of managing the cache memory so the page load quicker. The down side is that is not really good at showing updates. Empty the cache and reset safari.
Don’t worry about that. Since the begining, when I google for protoplay it gives me the right website. You must have click on ‘cache’ which is more some sort of archives.Almost nobody click on this.
The only things that make a website famous are:
1/ Good coding. No problem with this because wordpress do the job for us.( except when someone try to put code for his page, I won’t give any name )
2/ Lots and lots of links from others websites, and the best is website that have been on the web for very long.
3/ Keywords: Words that you use in your text. If you use ‘art’ or ‘chicken’ a lot, and if people who are looking for ‘art’ and ‘chicken’ in search engine often click on protoplay, then search engines will understand that protoplay = art and chicken.
4/ The word that people use to link to us. It’s a technic that some people use to change you keyword association. Search for “political google bombing” or read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Google_bombs . People use it against bush for exemple. If a lot of website link to protoplay by using the word ‘this is not art’. We will come first on ‘this is not art’.
5/ Meta tags but people now says that it’s not that important. Almost useless.
6/ And other boring staff.
We don’t really need this because we are not selling staff. But if more art collectif or art institution were linking to us that would be great.
Don’y worry for the cache, people don’t click on this. trust me baby.
By the way how do we do for saturday ?
March 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Doing a test for the comments subscribe, so people can subscribe to post where they have put comments and being notify by email. yeah
March 28th, 2007 at 8:51 am
Tomas,
this is happening again… aaaagh
Originally the ‘and then 3 come along at once’ post was posted as private,
but then the wheels on the bus categorie didn’t come up on the front page. - because it needs to be made by you as a categorie in the private part.
Is there anyway to fix this to save you the bother each time
or, can you just make it a private categorie
or, can you make me have the authority to create private categories, or what ever is needed?
see you later then, are you going to post some .dir stuff on the site?
orion, x
p.s. well done for making email subscription thing!
April 3rd, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Orion,
You will now receive a mail every time some put a comment on the website. You will also be the one who is moderating comments. You that the first time you put a comment on the website you need to approved by the moderator so it can be displayed and allow you to put comments without moderation.
It’s just it’s more easy for you do to this.
No worry, your are not really in charge ;)
April 4th, 2007 at 8:23 am
Alright - I can do that.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Yes of course she was,
Are there always that many spam comments to delete?
There have been about about 25 since yesterday..
April 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Search for “Art Collective in Brighton” in Google. We come third!!!
Yeah!!!! And we come fourth with “Art Collective Brighton”
April 10th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
type: “art collective” in brighton
and we come second!!!
woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!!
this may help…
“protoPLAY art collective Brighton” performance - video art - sound art - sculpture - music - installation - intervention - live art - pop-corn art
April 11th, 2007 at 8:12 am
type ‘brighton art collective’ today and see what happens….
April 11th, 2007 at 8:39 am
great!!!
We now have our anti-spam, no more horrible pervert staff. And they will be listed so they can be track down or check by authorities.
Your post where you copy and paste all those keywords is not a good thing. Google really hate those things and knows what you are trying to do.
See you this evening…
April 17th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Hi, orion.
Could you create a wikipedia article on protoPLAY? That would help the website.
April 17th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Yea, I was thinking about that, actually i put some links to protoplay in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_art - still there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_collective - not still there but I can put it back, for how long I don’t know.
I also followed the links from the art collective pages and asked various online resources if they would take our link
http://www.groupsandspaces.net/
http://www.art.net/Links/Artref/collectives.html
neither of them have put it on there site.
It seems though that you have to make references on wikipedia, or else the page is removed - I don’t know to what we could make references to?
also maybe its more important to concentrate on uploading more info onto the site - because most of my efforts have been going into the private part lately - so for visitors theres is not so much info.
April 20th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Hi TM, Do you know any way to make the default text size on the website smaller?
it comes up quite a bit too big I think,
of course one only has to adjust it in ones browser, but in general people wont do that.
*OM
May 10th, 2007 at 8:57 am
TM, TM, TM! - well, well, well - hello!
just a quickie this morning: how do visitors to pP.net sign up
to RSS feeds - so that they can keep up to date with our activities? - like they could sign up to ‘Future Events’ or they could sign up to the front page, to get a general picture lovely protoPLAY’s daredevil antics… Savvy?
OM
May 10th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Why did you delete the post for the Art of Listening ?
rss are already working, the link is at the bottom of article ( rss2 )
May 10th, 2007 at 10:55 am
You maybe should put image of the events also. Like for fresh and AOL. So people see protoplay doing things.
Someone had change the date of the AOL article. I’ve put the date back to normal. Hope it’s not a bug.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:01 am
I couldn’t get the rss thing to work (I logged out first and everything) maybe its a MAC thing?????? Its because we had a “we love protoplay” message asking to be put on a mailing list - so I want to recomennd them to use our rss.
I moved TAOL to past events - but i will move it back until I put some better images on
May 10th, 2007 at 11:04 am
oh you did it already - i didn’t read it properly - good.
Do you want to remove that ‘disgusting’ text, like you did on your site - ?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Strange, it’s working perfectly here. I’m on a mac with firefox.
The ” we love protoplay ” is a test I did to create a mailing list. Nothing to do with rss. It’s more that you subscribe to ” we love protoplay ” and every time you send/reply a message to this email address every people who had subscribe receive it.
The only issue is that I don’t know if the mailing list is private. Otherwise could help for protoplay communication.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Well i don’t know….
I just thought that maybe they could subscribe to a particular category, and that would be great.
But I don’t know….
June 11th, 2007 at 10:30 am
great there is new categorie for associated artists , can we put in the three perople from regency town house project there as well - jo, alice and polly
June 11th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
I changed a few things:
1/ Associated artists can only edit their page ( but not write new one ) and edit/write their posts. They still can comment every thing.
2/ Currents Artists can only edit the pages they own and create new one. they can edit all post and comments. ( except for Orion and I ).
3/ When you look a post you know have the name of the author.
June 12th, 2007 at 9:08 am
hi Thomas,
Just made new categorie for Third space in planning and discussion.
the post comes up on front page - is this normal now?
June 12th, 2007 at 10:37 am
heu yes…
The plug doesn’t work properly with this version of wordpress. Much newer then mine. So I have to do it manually every time we create a new category, even if it’s in another category that is already hidden.
I do it.
June 28th, 2007 at 8:34 am
Hi Thomas,
Website activity a bit low at the moment, suprisingly, as lots of things seem to be happening in different directions.
Now that we have this open policy, allowing visitors to see everything on website, Is it a good idea to have a front page that independent of all else, so that we can control what visitors when they first arrive on the site? so that new posts DO NOT go on front page unless the poster expressly puts them there, - they just go on the other page they are selected to go on, e.g. ‘planning and discussion’ or what ever.
Alternativly, it could be done by making the default page that people arrive on at the site a category, e.g. ‘Home’ or even “projects - future’ or ‘about’.
Also Miriam and steven are taking a back seat either travelling or concentrating on being able to have a mortgage to pay, can you move them both to associate artists - I could not see how this is done.
dinner on friday at yours then?
orion, x
June 28th, 2007 at 11:33 am
ok, no problem geezer. oy oy savaloi !!!!
Dinner on friday is fine.
I summarize, for the home page there is 3 Solutions:
1/ Make one of the existing category to be the home page.
2/ Create a new category called Home or News to be the home page.
3/ Create a page ( like artists page ) to be the home page.
1 and 2 are a lot flexible. I think the second option is the best. Cause people just post stuff and you can then just decide if they have to be on the home page ( if the person haven’t done it already ).
So shall I call it Home ?